BAP104 Leadership and Change ft. Derek Rhodenizer

Many thanks to Derek Rhodenizer for pushing our thinking once again.

We talk about so many things in this interview with one of my favorite education leaders!  If you’re not following Derek, stop reading this and go follow him right now.  I’ve been following Derek for years and doing so is one of the best things I can do for my own self-directed professional learning.  You can listen to the show in your favorite podcast app or right here:

Listen to “BAP104 Leadership and Change ft. Derek Rhodenizer” on Spreaker.

We talk about so many things in this episode that can support teachers of Multilingual Learners.  And because of where Derek is in his career, it helps us look at our learning through the eyes of an education leader.   He has always done that for me.  But now is an especially interesting time because Derek is making a big move from his independent/private school to a public school in Ottawa.

His thinking around this is great for my mindset.  We reflect on why we make moves like this, on some of the things that are important to keep in mind as you leave a position of leadership and how we might all be thinking to best support students and our colleagues in these challenging times.

He has so many “Mic-Drop” moments in this show.  One of them is when he is talking about leaders needing to know when to move aside for others to step into leadership.  Also when he talked about how we need to put our roles into perspective.  We are not the ONLY person that can be a leader in any school, team or group.  This is an interesting image that he shared with us those lines:

We laughed about that visual.  But we also talked about the power in it.  Sure, you could take this image and feel like your impact is small.

But we would rather look at this in terms of how important it is to take new risks.  It is okay if we make mistakes.  We are having an impact on those we serve but if there are mistakes in that effort, the world continues to spin.  And we can move forward from it having learned something.

Derek is looking at this image to help him put his role into perspective as he leaves a school where he has been for 6 years.  While I recently learned that every student drew a picture of him and staff recorded sentimental messages to him.  He certainly had an impact!  But others can also have an impact on that space.  The world is big enough for that.

That was one of my major take-aways from this conversation. The fact that we can all go forth boldly and with vulnerability so that we can realize that it will be okay if we make some mistakes.  I am asked to model strategies in front of teachers all the time.  I can do that because I know it doesn’t need to be perfect.  My willingness to take risks will help me try things with educators and give them opportunities to reflect.  That is where I feel we can have the biggest impact as instructional leaders.  Helping everyone grow as we partner with them.

Derek and I mentioned several other things and here are the links to those:

MADpd:  The free and amazing conference created by Derek & Peter Cameron.

Here are a few specific MADpd resources from Emily Francis, Jennifer Hunter Dillon and me that might be of interest if you teach Multilingual Learners.  Click on the image to see more about our presentations:


A few other things we mentioned were:

“Positive” doesn’t necessarily mean “happy.”  Positive is having hope that things will get better.

We reflected on this show about having ONE Newcomer arrive in a mainstream class in the middle of the school year (it is an old show but someone JUST tweeted about it).

Another FREE PD I highly recommend is the MLSummit.  Tan Huynh, Dr. Katie Toppel, and I put this conference on each summer after taking a page from MADpd.  You’ll find so many free sessions for teachers of MLs at that link!

So don’t forget some of Derek’s advice:

Teachers feel like they are on the last kilometers of a marathon right now.  Let’s not pretend we are supporting if all we are doing is giving them “encouraging” words.  Try not to  pay lip service by only saying things like “take care of yourself.”   Derek recommends calling things what they are and then looking for ways to actually lighten their load or other means of support. 

In other words, figure out how to be more straight-shooting.  That is more respected.

And please remember that we would love to have you at the DIYpd4MLs workshop on March 3rd & 4th.  This one does have a fee but we are getting great feedback on the workshop!

Thanks for stopping by this blog.  I appreciate all you’re doing and I appreciate you supporting my learning journey.  Please reach out and let me know if you found something useful here.

Be well,



Join us for the DIYpd4MLs Pajama Launch Party!

If you are getting this blogpost update, you don’t need to be sold on self-directed learning.  You’re doing it right now.  So you may want to attend our #DIYpd4MLs book launch party on Nov 15th at 7:00pm ET to get a free chapter download and be eligible for prizes.  And most importantly, just to hang out with the PLN!

The launch party begins at 7:00pm ET.  Register right here and be sure to arrive early as seats are limited.

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The Slow Chat begins Nov 13th!

Whether you can make it to the launch party or not, you may want to join us for this round of #MLLChat_BkClub! 

It begins on Nov 13 and you can find all the information right here.   Dr. Katie Topppel does such an amazing job with the slow chat book study and this one is going to be EPIC!   John Carlson of came on my podcast last month and he gave us a GREAT idea.  Our book talks about LAYERING your PD opportunities and we are giving an opportunity to do just that!  Check out the choice board challenge (thanks John!)

I’m honored to have written this book with Dr. Katie Toppel & Tan Huynh.  Both of them are heroes to many of us and exemplify what is possible when we take charge of our own PD.  And Larry Ferlazzo & Katie Hull Sypnieski wrote the forward!  We are so incredibly honored by that because those authors have contributed so many opportunities for all of us to direct our own learning.  One of the best things about this book is that it is a Seidlitz Education resource!  Anna Matis & her team do such beautiful work!

If all of this isn’t enough, our book website will launch the week of Nov 15th so stay tuned for that.  We will have extra resources available to go along with this book.

What a joy it is to highlight so many of our PLN members for the way they are directing their own learning and adding to ours. We hope you can come celebrate all of this with us!  Seats are filling fast so register to join us on Monday, Nov 15 at 7pm ET. 

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